Indie-игры

Анти-инди это так по хипстерски.

 

А, ну и эта еще выкосила. Десять баксов за игру с цветными прямоугольничками в главной роли.

Была бесплатной в PS Plus, который был у меня оплачен на тот момент - и я не смог заставить себя это скачать...

 

а Банную Сагу все же все везде любят и хвалят, как ни посмотри. Усилий к созданию ее всяко больше чем Том-одиночка.

 

Говорят сама игра вполне неплохая, кстати. Вот ты в который раз в лужу садишься, выбирая сильные инди-проекты и пытаясь к ним подкопаться.

 

Ключевое слово "говорят" Получается, что своего мнения у тебя нет - но ты тем не менее заявляешь, что это "сильный инди-проект". И, если ты не заметил, идет обсуждение на тему "почему люди ненавидят инди", к которому я привожу свои личные примеры. Так что никто тут ничего не "выбирает", на что наткнулся - то и вспоминаю.

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Так это, а играть-то во что?! Подзадолбали уже малость со своей "нестандартностью", которая почему-то всегда сводится к попытке дорого продать дешевую хреновинку...

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За графон же в первую очередь. Насчет геймплея - где-то видел разгромный и достаточно аргументированный обзор боевки, да запамятовал. Может на форуме каком. После прочтения осталось впечатление, что эта самая Сага - графонистая пустышка.

 

realavt, мож зафигачим свой инди-проект, с блекджеком и русалками? Покажем всем, каким должен быть инди. На тебе чур графика и программирование, ок? Если захочешь принять более широкое участие - я только за. Сбацаем что-нибудь стоящее, наконец. Ну и на кикстартере засветимся заодно, конечно, бабла сострижем. Ну как, по рукам?

 

Английский оригинал статьи о "неуместности" ненависти к инди собрал куда больше комментариев. Вот некоторые из них:

"People don't hate the fact that they're indie, they hate the pretentious "I'm better than you, muh art" games with boring gameplay that get praised for no apparent reason, like Gone Home. "

"Too many terrible indie games are excused because they're indie and we're supposed to cut them extra slack. I'm sick of that. This article shovels more coal onto that fire."

"A lot of indies look like mobile phone games. It isn't the graphics that necessarily bother me, but the lack of story and purpose (example: an entire game where you just catch chickens). There are some decent ones that don't, but if it has that mobile phone/Face-book app feel, I sort of feel like I'm wasting my time with it."

"I dont hate indie games. Theyre fun ... sometimes. What I DO hate though is when the so called media *cough* touts them to be these amazing games ... when theyre not. Much like idie music ... there is a reason theyre not huge blockbuster hits. Yet you all throw them in with great AAA titles as if theyre even remotely as great. My god you even classify them as reasons to buy a console ... really? Fact of the matter is, if Ubisoft or EA came out with these games as retail, you would say "wtf is this crap?" ... so dont even try it. Thats whats meant when people say "idie" games arent real games."

"Here's the thing with indies for me. I'm 39. I played plenty of 2d side scrolling action games when I was younger. Time and technology moved on, and I was happy about it. Now everyone wants to go back to those crappy graphics of yesterday with cute little indie games. The problem is I've been there and done that. I want new experiences that stretch the limits of graphics and gameplay. Playing a game that is a throw back to the Contra days doesn't interest me because I already played the crap outta that game and many just like it when I was a kid. Indies are great for those who never got to experience the wonder of Kid Icarus, but for this old guy I need something new."

"i can fully understand why people dislike indies. i've played several myself, and while sure there are some true gems among them, the sad truth is that the vast majority sucks. they are badly made and/or simply not fun to play.
and that doesnt even touch the simple fact that all those who bought into next gen, who we're promised next gen performance and graphics, are left with all those Indies, most of whom could have run on their NES. what a grand next gen experience ...
as i said there are some really great titles but when looking at the bigger picture i can't blame anyone for getting tired of it when 90% is just crap."

"My counterpoint is too many indie games are excused for being terrible because they're indie. I am so tired of that. Especially since Steam has become lousy with a deluge of awful software. I'm so tired of this "indie movement" getting so much attention for somehow being a gaming Renaissance. The only things keeping the indie market afloat is that the games are cheap. If these games were more expensive, no one would pay attention to them. This is why Steam has embraced them so dramatically. It's easy to sell a $10 game when it has a well-written store page description no matter how crappy it turns out to be. It's all about sales volume."

"Because 99% of indie games sucks, so you spend more time checking on youtube if the game is good or not than actually playing games."

"Simple answer is they are terrible games. Every indie I have played, has been mind numbingly boring. I've brought them cause of the hype played 5min and always think WTF is wrong with people are they playing a different game. Sure some are ok at best but god they need to be stop being rammed down throats."

"I think you've pegged another problem: the medias current rating system for games. Explain to me how Goat Simulator gets a 9.0 while Titanfall gets a 8.9? Youre telling me jumping around with a goat is a masterpiece while a polished multiplayer shooter without a campaign is a little lower, but still amazing? They need to really start narrowing ratings down (ie reserve masterpiece for the Halos and TLoUs of the world). That's people's problem: its extremely difficult to determine the quality of a game given the gaming media's current standards..."

"most indie games have horrible graphics and simple arcade gameplay. AAA games offer so much more than that. I personally have nothing against indie games, but the reasons I listed are why I don't play them. "

"Why do people hate indie games? Because IGN keeps giving them 8-10 scores on reviews so we play them with the idea that they will be as fun as Halo, Mass Effect, etc. that are getting similar scores and are like WTF is this? (I am looking at you From Dust). There should be a disclaimer on indie reviews that the score is being judged on a steep curve."

"My problem with indie games is a lot of so call Journalists trashing big name games (especially if a Japanese game) saying they not doing anything new and these games don't have heart, much like this article which I find it BS. Then they say so called indie game is remarkable, new, and innovated that it going to change how games are played. I'm like awesome go buy said game, end up be disappointed cause it's plays like a big name game, just shorter and less polish."

"If Indie games are so great, why don't they charge 60 dollars for them? Because they would no longer be indie games. They would just be bad games."

"Indie games just seem so shallow to me. It's like, I might as well just go play flappy bird. The simplicity just makes them feel like phone games or something from the NES generation. It always comes down to "Well, I could play an indie game, or I could go play Dark Souls II." To me it looks like a big step back, but at least some of these games introduce some very creative ideas."

"IMO, the indie name is kinda plagued by hundreds of bad indie games. For every good indie game, there exists hundreds of other garbage, shovelware garbage. When its good, it is very good, usually because since it is an independent project, the game developed can be any type really, and since we don't see games like this in the market, its refreshing to play them since the AAA market is largely filled with the safe game that will generate the sales it needs for a sequel, while indies are going for a more niche audience, that they will more than likely have more aspects dedicated to developing a good game. However, one aspect of most indie games I hate, is how some will think they are so clever, and true art, that they think anything in their game is deep. Some games really don't work very well in that department, and I think the whole Indie is for hipsters sort of stereotype hurts the image even more. Sometimes, a game doesn't have to be deep, or metaphoric, or tell a narrative beyond comprehension. Sometimes, we need a simple good fun time, as seen in titles such as rogue legacy, or super meatboy."

"If all indies looked like outlast or the upcoming routine, indies wouldn't have this cheaper stigma to them. When I think of indies I can't help but think of a side scrolling platformer with small, less detailed graphics and something I would never pay 60 bucks for."

 

realavt, слив засчитан.

 

Вот на графике можно и прекратить разговор

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Кого\куда? Ты сам с собой беседу ведешь, что ли?!

 

realavt, я немножко поспешил, да? См. выше.

 

Ну так в глаза же лезут, пиарятся, лицом индустрии пытаются быть - оттого и полнейшее ощущение, что индустрию губит не дорогостоящее "кинцо", где сразу видно на что деньги ушли, а с виду бесплатные поделки, которые, тем не менее, стоят ощутимых денег.

 

realavt, сначала я поспешил, т.к. было сообщение от тебя, но не было ответа мне. Но потом все равно последовал отказ. И вот теперь, если мне придется делать игру самому, она будет с ненавистными тебе пукселями.
Хотя, конечно, скорее всего ее вовсе не будет.

 

Lovely Planet - катамари-fps?

 

Ну и бред.

Offtop

"Вредный" это реинкарнация Бато-сана?

 

Да ты уже не первый раз так делаешь. И не раз с играми, с которыми я знаком. Касаемо Томаса - смотрел летс плей Тотал Бискита. Не проняло, но в целом показалось любопытно.

Угу, и всё сводится к тому - почему человек ненавидит инди. То есть - ты. Нет, ну правда, если уж берёшься критиковать инди, то пинай хотя бы те проекты, которые пинать стоит. Как я и сказал, в стиме этого шлака горы.

 

"Которые пинать стоит" с точки зрения твоего личного вкуса, как я понимаю? Слишком размашистая претензия, тут каждый сам за себя. Super Hexagon, опять же, более чем нагляден.

 

Не обязательно. Игра может быть интересна, но если она, мягко говоря, не ахти, то она не ахти, будь она хоть трижды A3 или не A3.